Friday, February 10, 2006

How Much Is Too Much?

I’m back!

Vacation has come and gone, as has that dreaded deadline. The scary thing is the task didn’t get done. There is a beautiful thing about self-imposed deadlines – you get to readjust it as often as you like and there is no boss there to judge and complain. Actually, that is also the down-side of independence. Not only do I have to come face to face every single day - with the failure that I have become. But I don’t even have whom to blame! I can’t bitch about the task being too difficult, since I was the one who decided that it was possible in the first place!

Kinda like those who’ve shunned responsibility and the yoke of religious obligation. I feel bad for those that find that life still sucks, yet they don’t have a G-d to complain to or obligations to whine about. I don’t care what anyone says about it – but while a hefty lump of freedom certainly sweetens life, an overdose is overkill.

But that was totally not the topic that I was going to blog about! But I guess it sorta relates to my trip too. Ever been to Vegas? The initial attraction to Las Vegas is the many conventions occurring at any given time. Consequently, some of the world’s greatest performers tend to congregate there. They have their own maxim there: “Welcome to Las Vegas, where too much is never enough…” Trust me dear readers – one week in Vegas, is way more insane living than one should ever be subjected to.

Don’t get me wrong, we had a fabulous time. The strip is awesome! Especially at night! It was amazing walking around the shopping mall at The Caesar’s, The Venetian, The Aladdin and too many more places to mention. The casinos are fun for a bit, and the free attractions some hotels provide are enough to keep you busy for a few evenings in a row. The Bellagio’s water shows range from sweetly romantic melodies to ear-shattering, tap-to-the-beat, and smile-inducing rock. The Mirage volcano was pretty OK, but the effects were too obviously faked to impress. The Sirens of T.I. was a stupid performance if ever there was one. Six years ago they had the Pirate show – and I thought that was stupid. I guess I’ve learnt that just like extravagance and beauty can always be outdone – unfortunately, so can stupidity.

Six years ago many things were different. As a matter of fact, there seemed to have been intentions at that point to ‘clean up’ Sin City. There were some children’s park built, and many hotels focused on children’s attractions. And from the Jewish perspective: while six years ago there was no kosher restaurant to eat out in, at this point there are five kosher eateries, many minyanim, a kosher mikva – and a vibrant, growing Jewish community. All of that is thanks to Rabbi Shia Harlig from Chabad, whom I was privileged to personally meet, who made it his life mission to bring yiddishkeit to Las Vegas, which makes it easier for the Heimish traveler to feel more at home.

But in spite of the success with the burgeoning Jewish life there, their other attempts at reinventing this City into a family friendly place failed dramatically. As an emcee / comedian was saying ‘Bringing children to Vegas, is like taking a Hooker to Disneyland’. Sin City is back – and I don’t know if that is such a good thing…

Or rather, as they would readily admit: It’s too much of a good thing.

35 Comments:

At February 11, 2006 9:18 PM, Blogger jewish philosopher said...

I think that people in Las Vegas are realizing that families bring more money and fewer problems than single tourists. Amsterdam is trying to do the same thing. However it does sound like have a they a way to go.

Perhaps the city of Las Vegas should hire Mrs. Sheitel as a consultant?

 
At February 13, 2006 7:29 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

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At February 13, 2006 7:31 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

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At February 13, 2006 7:33 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

“was it something a rov would approve?”

Well, for business reasons, in order not to lose an advantage over a competitor, she probably would have gained approval from her rov.

“vi past for a chasidish maydle to be there let alone your hubby!”

Wait a second, chuck. If I were to attend a convention in Vegas, I would most probably take along my wife, and for reasons we seem to have agreed on in the past; it would suffice to call it: Safeguarding!

You see? It may very well be the case that a ‘chasidish maydle’ accompanied her ‘hubby’ in his approved trip to Vegas in order to execute a holy mission ----- actually her duty.

 
At February 14, 2006 4:35 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

I’m not here to guess whether or not it was primarily a business trip. I was simply presenting you with a scenario.

However, if you really want to become technical, I have many acceptable practices which I doubt they could hold out your tznius criteria.

For example, riding the NYC subways in rush-hour while being sandwiched between two you-know-what…. does that have the approval from a ‘real rav’?

Also, since when has time square been declared free of “roaming”? (ok, your cell phone doesn’t count…) Because it’s not officially called so ---- then there is no sin in NY City?

Finally, is the internet less Sin City than Vegas? Perhaps we should all go offline and become shoe-shiners! (of course, not on fifth Av.)

When evaluating the impact of a city’s tznius contamination, what’s the difference between two cities where one has the roaming element as a side dish while the other has it as a main dish? Neither has them for a snack! Which city qualifies for the money hecsher?

 
At February 14, 2006 10:20 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

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At February 14, 2006 10:22 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

Chuck, in case you didn’t notice, between “being sandwiched,” and “a love to be sandwiched” a bird could easily get lost.

How lucky does subway rider have to be to find a private quarter on rush hour? Let alone the luxury of ‘looking into a sefer’. I’ve tried it myself, making use out of my traveling time. I ended up just transferring books back and forth, for the same token!

Lokshin, a hippie has the liberty to wear his most bizarre clothing, but a Satmar girl wearing seams does not? Do you really care how this woman, in the seat in front of you, at the show chooses to dress? If she doesn’t, why should you?

I can hear your question in a different way. How is it possible that some people are soooo content, no matter where they are or how they look? Is there something they have and I don’t?

Lokshin, the answer is YES! They have self confidence, and it’s never too late to start working on it!

 
At February 15, 2006 11:53 PM, Blogger SemGirl said...

I have to agree with utterly confused on this one.

Also, if it was a business trip and you spoke to a Rov, cool.

But, if it was a vacation, there are like a billion places that are more appropriate for any Orthodox Jew, let alone a Villiamburger fro.. What is going on with you.

Whose crazy idea was this, you or your husband..

As for the subway, I have heard that Reb Moshe has a Tshuva, that it is ok for men, only for Parnasa and only if they cant control themselves not to look at bad things, and for women also, preferably only for a need like shopping, not just to galavant about.

 
At February 16, 2006 8:40 AM, Blogger Hoezentragerin said...

Semgirl,
Of course you don't get it.
You are a "moderene" girl from Lakewood.
You speak English to your 3 year old siblings.
You don't say "elokienie" you say "elokenu".
You wear navy stockings.
You drive.
You will wear a really long fall shaitel down past your shoulder.
You also wear long denim skirts down to your ankles.
Who knows, perhaps you even wear nail polish and bobby socks!
You won't shave your hair off like shaitel does, and you will wear a snood.
Your husband will be clean shaven and won't even perm his payos.
Of course you don't understand how and why Shaitel spends her vacation in "sin city."
You don't understand cause you're not haimish.
You are not the rechosen.
Shaietel is. She is the real deal.
Shaitel's husband drives an SUV while yours will drive an old beat up jalopy.
After all, she shops at Saks Fifth, while you do at Target and Marchels.

 
At February 16, 2006 10:20 AM, Blogger Yoelish said...

‘Hoezentragerin’, sarcastic but not sarcastic enough.

I mean, you shouldn’t have let pass the opportunity to make the logical and persuasive argument that the underlying reason why Sheitel craves for Sin City is because, and only because, she indeed wears a sheitel and seams. That’s why she feels deprived and lacks satisfaction, that’s why she is forced to be looking for contentment in Sin City.

Whereas those who are lucky to speak English, say "elokenu, wear navy stockings, drive, wear a really long fall shaitel, wear long denim skirts, wear nail polish,” etc. are overfilled with joy and have reached their final aspirations, the climax of happiness, therefore need nothing more.

Folks, have you ever tried saying ‘elokenu’ instead of ‘elokienie’? Try it, you’ll thank me forever. I once tried it; I instantly felt like dancing, there was this inner joy attempting to burst out. It’s an unbelievable delightful feeling….



When looking at the friendly attacks on her decision to fly to Vegas, Sheitel finds herself in a dilemma. Should she fly to Vegas, but without her seams, as one has suggested. Or should she eliminate the seams altogether, thereby sparing the need of going to Vegas. Either way will work against the very path she chose follow ---- to act in accord with her instincts and not be carried away by fear of whether or not her neighbors, classmates and fellow bloggers will approve of her actions.

Sheitel, I say your Vegas trip was absolutely consistent with your blog’s message.

 
At February 16, 2006 12:29 PM, Blogger Hoezentragerin said...

"I am sorry for you that life has not presented it self to you the way you would have loved for it to be."

StillConfusing,
You know nothing about me or the type of life I lead. I give you the libery to save those tears for others.

 
At February 16, 2006 1:32 PM, Blogger Totally Content said...

Ho - I would have agreed with you that Stillchoosing was audacious and presumptuous in assuming to know what your life is like - - when I realized that the reason this bugs you is only because apparently you have reserved the privilege to assume.

Had you perhaps followed my blogs a bit more closely, you might have noticed some minor details that will negate many of your opinions. For starters – as I’ve pointed out in the past, there is one typical female pastime that I detest – and it is not necessarily one Williamsburg residents have the monopoly on. And that is shopping. Be it Saks Fifth Avenue, or H & M. I hate spending money. Ironically, the one store that I do frequent is Target.

Dunno why I chose to clarify this point, when there are so many other discrepancies... It’s just that this isn’t the first time a commenter has attempted to belittle me with something so laughable and irrelevant --- and my pet peeve, to boot!

 
At February 16, 2006 1:40 PM, Blogger SemGirl said...

Nice to see you again, HT.. You are one of my favorite blog people, and I always like reading your comments, but I still don't understand what you are trying to say. I should marry a bear in a Purim costume, make myself look ugly, and then go somewhere to flush my Ruchnius down the toilet ?

As for Saks Fifth Ave or Target, I would be happy to go the clothing Gemach, so my husband could learn another blatt Gammara..

 
At February 16, 2006 2:22 PM, Blogger Hoezentragerin said...

Semgirl,
Shaitel portrays herself as being this prototypical Chasiidishe woman, when in essence she aligns herself with Satmara dogma as much as I do with vegetarianism.
I mentioned driving and wearing colored stockings to make the point that though she can't (yet) do the things you do without being called "modern," she will go to Vegas while you sit their gawking.
But of course, Shaietel claims to be "totally contend." She is so very frum and doesn't even want to drive because she truly believes it to be very peruzesdig.
On the other hand, in the privacy of her home and blog though, she perhaps is totally contend.
Of course, you would be too if you would drop many of the gedorim and chumras your community subscribes to.

I don't proclaim to be any holier or frummer than Shaietel.
The difference between the two of us is not so much in action as it is in perception.
Shaietel believes that she is a staunch follower and believer in Satmara theology and the Chasidishe way of life.
I believe that her-our version is closer to those of the "unchosens" than it is of the rechosens.

 
At February 16, 2006 7:35 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

I love it! Semgirl does pretty much as she pleases w/regard to hanging out with guys etc., but she's confused at Sheitel bending some rules in Vegas. What's to be confused about? She's doing what you do, only in a different venue.

But I've gotta admit, it is hilarious to see a woman who purports to defend the meaningfulness of the female chassidishe life spending her vacation in Sin City. You're right, Sheitel, being a chassidish lady in Willy is no problem if you can let your hair down in Vegas now and then.

 
At February 16, 2006 7:42 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

I'd say that after this post you don't need to bother with the long-awaited, long-delayed post regarding "heimish women fulfilling their potential." I think we get it now.

 
At February 17, 2006 11:56 AM, Blogger Also A Chussid said...

Begreatfull,

I do not doubt the story you tell, but please, for the love of GOD, cant you admit that things are not like this anymore???

 
At February 17, 2006 12:28 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

"cant you admit that things are not like this anymore???"

Oh please, baloney. Stop with the apologetics already.

 
At February 17, 2006 1:02 PM, Blogger Also A Chussid said...

Yeshivaguy,

Please don’t confuse, stating facts, with being apologetic.

 
At February 17, 2006 3:13 PM, Blogger Totally Content said...

I’m becoming increasingly annoyed with all these comments that somehow are implying that external trappings are responsible for internal happiness and general contentment in life.

I live a wonderfully happy life right here - right now. The trip to Vegas did little to increase my contentment, except for the fact that I got to spend quite a bit of alone time with my husband. That was great – but that could have been accomplished anywhere: Miami, Orlando, Niagara Falls, Washington D.C. - - or Vegas. Being that we had already done all the others and the fact that circumstances had necessitated this trip, we made the most of it. Amongst the company we kept there were too many heimishe Williamsburg people to count. From regular baal batishe people to women in shpitzlech. That is so often swarming with ‘heimishe’ that I literally am having a hard time understanding this reaction my ‘sharing’ has received.

It is true that the fact that I shared with friends and family where I went - proves nothing. The fact that friends and family know about this blog - doesn't prove anything either. And the fact that I am blogging altogether- proves even less.

None of that changes who I am. Or the fact that I am actively a part of a community that I know and love. I participate in and facilitate many of the functions. I am proudly Satmar - and have no intentions of changing 'lanes'.

I've heard of people living lives like begreatfull had, and that is truly sad. As sad as the well known fact that there are those that have suffered emotional, physical or sexual abuse in any environment. There are parents who lack parenting abilities and will force their ideology - whatever that may be - on their children.

But please believe me when I tell you that there are many many sane members, and therefore sane families, in this wonderful little community. None of my friends got into trouble for listening to the radio. Not that ‘listening to radio’ was all that exciting. It was a regular part of day. If I wanted to know the weather I would ‘tune in’. January 16 1991 we all sat around listening with a bowl of popcorn on our laps – similar to all those families that were glued to the screen around the world. Sleepovers with friends usually included movies. Clean movies, that had passed parental inspection - of course. But movies nonetheless. The music I listened to back then was usually MBD, Miami Boys, London School of Jewish Song and Yisroel Williger. All tapes that are sold ‘openly’ in any music shop in Williambsburg. As a matter of fact – the seforim stores have no problem carrying them either. I never listened to these on my headphones though- but rather the main stereo. Mostly because I wasn't ever a major fan of music – and headphones weren't ever 'my thing'.

I have no intention of constantly proving that I am who I say I am. But for the record I want it noted that I am indeed Satmar, Williamsburg, Chasidish, Female - - and content… not IN SPITE of it, but BECAUSE of it.

 
At February 17, 2006 3:29 PM, Blogger Totally Content said...

Human - The only point I attempted to make is that Williamsburg and Satmar are made up of many different individuals. That being the case, who I am has never stood in the way of me being both Satmar and a part of Williamsburg. But you already knew that.

What would interest you perhaps even more, is the wonderfully happy lives my friends lead – even though some of them don’t have a computer at home. Or a radio. Or the fact that they don’t bother with watching a movie.

Or the fact that they never wear sunglasses… I’m sure that it’s hard to believe that life can be sunny in spite of it.

 
At February 18, 2006 7:02 PM, Blogger Hoezentragerin said...

" January 16 1991 we all sat around listening with a bowl of popcorn on our laps – similar to all those families that were glued to the screen around the world. "

Right. And then the next day at school, did you share with your teacher what exactly you heard on the radio and which station you listened to?

I've asked the question before and will ask it again.
Shaitel, what exactly makes you Satmar? How are you as a Satmare woman different from the rest of the frum world?
Aside from the fact that you don't go to the kosel and are rabidly anti- Zionist, of course.

 
At February 18, 2006 9:28 PM, Blogger SemGirl said...

Sheitel... Me doth thinketh thou protesteth too much.. Thats Shakespeare for all of you "real" Satmars out there.

HT.. So basically you are saying that Sheitl and HR are much more similar than they care to admit, hence all the fireworks between them in the past.

 
At February 19, 2006 12:24 PM, Blogger Also A Chussid said...

BeGreatful,

Do your siblings behave, towards their children, in the same manner as your parents did with you?

If the answer is no, then things are changing. It’s a new generation, and I don’t see any of my friends treating their kids, in the same way my parents did, even the frummy ones.

 
At February 19, 2006 8:19 PM, Blogger Totally Content said...

I’ll be posting something new quite shortly, where I’ll be addressing what Williamsburg residency entails – and all the issues InterestedJew and Begreatfull have broached. But for now, if I may…

HBJ – being Satmar and proud of it, I fail to see how you can perceive any lack of contentment due to anything I’ve shared so far. I live my life as I was raised to live it. I’m a pride and joy to my parents and grandparents, and I do hope and pray that my children too will follow these well-tread footsteps, and always be a source of nachas.

Her Nor – While your assumptions were quite irrelevant and erroneous, I will respond in regard to your ‘bi’ concern, mostly to point out how ridiculous the comment itself was.

In Williamsburg being ‘openly’ straight isn’t acceptable either. There are certain codes of behavior that have been accepted for tznius purposes. PDA (public display of affection) hasn’t been.

Ho – “Right. And then the next day at school, did you share with your teacher what exactly you heard on the radio and which station you listened to?”

Ironically, in a ‘speech’ that I had to make that year, I did indeed mention ‘on January 16th we all stopped what we were doing to ‘listen in’ – what is to happen next…’ It was just odd that you questioned that particular issue. Oh, and I got a top grade for that assignment.

Roz – “I live in Crown Heights & my view of Williamsburg is more how Begreatfull describes it.”

While I do know that the family life she describes does indeed exist, I can not say that they are remotely in the majority. Out of 35 classmates, I don’t believe we had even 5 girls that were raised in such extreme environments.

As for ‘does one side condemn the other?’ I’ve noticed often that regardless of where we are in life – we tend to think of ourselves as the ‘norm’ with others doing either ‘too much’ or ‘too little’. I believe that that would aptly sum up the attitude in Williamsburg too.

As for InterestedJew and BG – I’ll address most of your issues in my next post.

BTW BG, just wondering – how many languages do you speak? I was under the impression that like me, Yiddish is your first language – and the only other language we learnt in school was English. Correct me if I’m wrong.

 
At February 19, 2006 9:16 PM, Blogger Hoezentragerin said...

I speak ivrit, yiddish, english, and a bit of spanish!

Hu? You speak Ivrit?
No wonder you're a shiksa.

 
At February 20, 2006 2:10 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

What Be Grateful says is so true. There's no denying it. I wait with bated breath to see Sheitel rebut this stuff in the forthcoming post. (Or will this be like the long-promised, never-delivered post about the contentment of Satmar women? Time will tell.)

 
At February 20, 2006 3:27 PM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

Hey, BG, you're preaching to the converted. Most of the commenters here are not some frei yahoos who know nothing about frumme or chassidishe life. And we all know that if Sheitel would publicly acknowledge (say, to the administration of her kids' schools) some of her activities, she would be ois-Satmar faster than you could say boo. So, yeah, you can be content in Willy even if you like R movies and gambling and pop music. But not if you follow all the rules.

 
At February 20, 2006 7:19 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

Implying that a person without access to internet, movies, etc. cannot be content is logically equivalent to suggesting that if one DOES have access, he or she MUST be content.

Neither is true!

If someone is looking to rub it in for Satmar he or she chose the wrong argument; I’m sure there are better ways to get them upset ---- perhaps by speaking ivrit! othc!


begreatfull, you speak ivrit? Why not replace Shikse with זונה ?

 
At February 20, 2006 10:25 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

Speaking about 'verbal diarrhea' let’s establish: Who keeps on throwing the 'bi' word without hesitation, just because someone had the chutzpah of going online and claim to be content???

Begreatfull:
You do seem to be a person in search for the truth. I sympathize with you and wish you the best in finding whatever you deem right and acceptable. I apologize for misinterpreting the word Shiksa (being that I’m Satmar, I’m not so good in ivrit. lol), but by no means did I intent to paint you as such. I ask that you forgive me.

 
At February 20, 2006 11:16 PM, Blogger Yoelish said...

I never noticed the comment, but the fact that you did, and your obvious obsession by constantly repeating it, tells me where YOUR mind is 24/7!

 
At February 21, 2006 9:33 AM, Blogger Yoelish said...

begreatfull, point well taken.

You say, “You know very well what a zoyna means I'm sure.”

That’s indeed true, but I wasn’t sure about the exact definition to your self proclaimed ‘Shikse’ word and whether these two terms are interchangeable. Would you please elucidate?

Her nor:

I think it’s highly unprofessional to make libelous remarks in public and then shove off the rest of us by saying "I know more than all of you think you can ever know and just shut up."

If you can’t back up your accusation then take back your move! Don’t attack while hiding under I-know—it-all shield! Say "I’m a sore loser and I won’t admit it."

 
At February 21, 2006 9:46 AM, Blogger yeshivaguy said...

jk/kj:

Give it a rest, will you?

 
At March 15, 2006 2:41 PM, Blogger kkk said...

Wanna comment on Your English laungage,doesn't come close to Williamsburgh,satmar graduates.
(correct me If I'm wrong.)

 
At March 15, 2006 2:43 PM, Blogger kkk said...

How's sex life out there in willi,how do the satmar girls take it?the word alone is it BAD? I'd love to hear...

 

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